MSNBC’s Alex Wagner speaks with Sandor Lederer, director and founder of the Hungarian anti-corruption watchdog K-Monitor, about the scale of corruption in Hungary and how citizens have become desensitized to it. Ruling by scandal, he suggests, may be strategic: overwhelm the public until outrage fades, a tactic he also sees at play in the U.S. under President Trump. During the conversation, Lederer also draws disturbing parallels between Hungary’s authoritarian drift and the current situation in the U.S., where Trump-era nepotism and elite power consolidation resemble Hungary’s kleptocratic model. To Lederer, it’s “even more scary” to see these patterns take hold in a country once thought to have the world’s stronger democratic safeguards.
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